1. knowledge of things
   1. by scientific method
   2. we examine objects no matter they like or not - by force-authority
   3. we influence the system always
   4. we still do not know the fundamental laws of universe & life
   5. we can USE the things if we know
   6. in space-time
2. knowledge of people
   1. know partly the others ,( that they just exist) but not completely
   2. depends on the freedom
   3. depends on love
   4. for humans there is always a lot of things unknown or impossible to know
   5. we do not have a complete theory of consciousness , life , origins
   6. we cannot use always this knowledge to control or change people
   7. knowing we create relationships
   8. in space - time but transcending also
3. problems to know god
   1. problems of proofs
      1. we have indications
      2. we cannot put god under the limits of space and time
   2. god should have the freedom to accept to be known by us
   3. god should love and be loved to be known
   4. we cannot use attributes from our experience and project them to god
      1. my father - God is father
      2. human justice - god is justice
      3. power - god is power
   5. i cannot take advantage of god.
      1. god will not answer to me as i expect
      2. unanswered prayers
      3. chinese practice to pray-negotiate